tv Nancy Grace HLN March 6, 2010 1:00am-2:00am EST
breaking news tonight in the disappearance of alabama beauty, natalee holloway. missing off her high school senior trip. aruba. aruban police couldn't or wouldn't make a case against judge's son, joran van der sloot, even after high-tech surveillance catches him describing the night natalee was killed. after van der sloot's father, paul van der sloot, collapses dead, speculation joran van der sloot would talk. bombshell tonight. van der sloot gives a second confession on air.
just days after his father cremated, video emerges of van der sloot claiming teen beauty, america girl natalee holloway falls, falls to her death from a balcony. how many more confessions does this guy have to give and when will justice finally win out? a shocking, new alleged confession surfaces. from joran van der sloot. a suspect in the natalee holloway disappearance. >> he confessed to taking the body and putting it in a swamp or marsh on the north side of the island. >> in an interview conducted by a dutch reality tv star broadcast on european network rtl, van der sloot claims natalee holloway was doing cocaine, drinking and dancing on the balcony of his friend's house when she suddenly
plummeted to her death, 2 1/2 stories below. >> what do we already know that can corroborate this confession by van der sloot? >> i don't think it's a confession. he has given an interview and he has made a version of what could have happened. >> how do you know she's dead, joran? >> i just know. >> how did you see it? did you feel her pulse? did it go in one time? >> i just touched her and there wasn't anything anymore. it was over. >> did you try to resuscitate her? >> i tried everything. i even lifted her up. >> why is van der sloot speaking out now? >> it appears to be at least the third different version of facts he's given. he told an american reporter in '08 he had sold natalee to a sex slave trade. that's why the prosecutors don't know what the truth is. >> the bottom line is he can keep on telling stories to many,
many people but until they get a piece of evidence that's going to corroborate what he says they're not going to be able to prosecute him. however, the more he talks the more directions that the prosecutor can go in to try to find that evidence. >> why hasn't there been an arrest in the case? just what more does van der sloot reveal? why now? >> good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. bombshell tonight. joran van der sloot gives another confession. this time saying american girl natalee holloway falls, falls to her death from a balcony. will aruban prosecutors finally listen? >> breaking news. joran van der sloot, long suspected of being involved in the disappearance of natalee holloway, has made an alleged confession that he hid natalee holloway's body in a swamp. >> he's consistently demonstrated that he's reckless
and that he's sloppy. there is no way that joran van der sloot is going to carry the body of natalee holloway to the interior of a 70,000 square meter swamp. >> the interview conducted by a dutch reality tv star and aired on european network rtl. where van der sloot spills the beans saying natalee plummeted to her death off a balcony she dancing on. after night filled with drugs and alcohol. then with a friend, the two hid natalee in a swamp. >> we're wondering what the name of this body of water is and where it's located because, you know, i would probably be willing to get a search team together and go search all of it. >> he said he wanted to clear his conscience so i let him tell where he put the body and then we can very thoroughly investigate on that special spot. >> this alleged confession flies in the face of an earlier alleged confession. where van der sloot was being secretly recorded and said he
dumped natalee in the ocean after making out with her on the beach. >> i was talking to her, talking to her, talking to her and she didn't say nothing. nothing. >> how long was she shaking for? do you know what that is? >> i don't know. >> an epileptic attack or something? >> i don't know. >> she was shaking? was there foam coming out of her mouth? >> no. no foam coming out of her mouth. i didn't see that. >> nbc news is reporting that he's still saying her death was an accident. nancy, that's corroborated with what you just slowed on the air. that undercover investigative report that was done years gone by. >> van der sloot later denied that story. how many versions of the truth does van der sloot claim to know? where there finally be justice to natalee holloway? >> to the director of "diara" magazine, jossi van sore joining
us from aruba. another confession, jossy? >> so it seems. again, this confession was also looked into by the prosecution. investigated. under the house, balconies they made measurements and concluded it's a big lie. >> out to you, jean casarez, correspondent "in session." what does this guy have to do? take out a billboard on third avenue to get arrested? >> nancy, i've been studying this confession. this was broadcast on dutch television, a short time period ago. i see it as being very, very different from the rest. nancy, your show just got a response from the prosecutor that they now have switched courses. they say there is a plan of action that they are going to review all of the interviews, all of the evidence. they are going to see what may corroborate because they feel that there are many lies but they feel there are aspects of the truth in many things, especially this last confession he gave a short time ago. >> before we go to natalee's father, dave holloway, joining
us from meridian, mississippi, let's take a listen to what joran van der sloot has just had to say on national tv. >> in the interview shown on european network rtl joran van der sloot is confronted with allegations that he's been trying to game the lie detector test. manipulating his body on purpose to beat the polygraph. after van der sloot is confronted about trying to cheat, he becomes agitated, stands up and throws a glass. van der sloot admitting he lies to people. one minute storming out of the polygraph session and visibly upset. next moment chatting with interview team and smiling. some months earlier, the interviewer, a reality tv star and acquaintance of van der sloot's, finally gets him to describe what happened the night natalee was last seen alive. >> in an interview shown on european station rtl, joran van der sloot allegedly finally confesses information the world wants to know about his involvement in the disappearance and death of natalee holloway.
is this version the truth or more lies? van der sloot claims he was at a friend's house with natalee where she was drinking and doing drugs on his balcony. van der sloot then suggests natalee holloway was dancing on the balcony and van der sloot tried to grab her. van der sloot claims she fell to her immediate death. it was then van der sloot said he and his friend loaded up a car, throwing natalee's lifeless bloody body in the back seat. driving under the cover of darkness and throwing natalee holloway's dead body in a swamp. >> out to renee rockwell and peter odom. if she had fallen from the balcony, why not call 911? >> that would have been an easy accident to explain. nancy, that's not what happened. i don't think he's ever told the truth. he keeps talking and talking and talking. until there's some physical evidence you're not going to see these investigators make a move, nancy. >> what about it, peter? >> well, he's made so many different statements that
without physical evidence there's no way to prosecute it. and, of course, the police right now are doing exactly what they need to do. they're trying to figure out what physical evidence can corroborate this new account in hopes of maybe arresting him. but it is quite doubtful. >> jean casarez, let's go through the statement. number one, why did he give it? how much money did he make off of it? what is the gist? >> why did he give it? it was money motivated because the reality star in the netherlands that did the interview said that joran contacted him. that he had gambling debts. he had rent payments he had to make. he gave him the money. he said that created a bond that would facilitate the truth. so we know money was involved, but the facts, nancy, here prosecutors in aruba say they do fit the timeline. let's just tell everybody what he said. he said he was walking natalee to her hotel. he bumped into a friend of his, had been a friend since childhood. that is an accomplice right there.
they went to a friend's home and that's where natalee fell off the balcony. >> joining me right now, special guest, dave holloway. he's natalee's father. what do you make of it, dave? >> you know, i don't believe the story. there may be some truth or context in his story, but i've spoken with the prosecutor. i've actually searched that pond area and, you know, a lot of things just don't match up, nancy. >> in the interview shown on european network rtl, joran van der sloot says after natalee holloway fell from the balcony he and a friend ran down to check on natalee but claims she was already definitely dead. van der sloot says he and his friend then picked natalee up and threw her in the back seat of his friend's car. the back seat covered in blood as the two sped toward a swamp to dispose of holloway's body. van der sloot says the two
wanted to put holloway's body as far as possible into the swamp. van der sloot even admitting he lost one of his shoes in the swamp. van der sloot says she knows the exact swampy spot where he claims to have left natalee holloway. >> in an interview aired on dutch network rtl, van der sloot claims they put natalee holloway's body in a swamp to conceal that she was drinking before her death. after the alleged confession, van der sloot attempts to apologize half a decade later for all his lies, even asking natalee holloway's parents for forgiveness. many doubt the sincerity.
brand new details have emerged from the suspect in the disappearance of natalee holloway. in an interview with a dutch reality tv star shown on european network rtl, joran van der sloot claims natalee holloway was dancing on his friend's balcony after drinking and doing drugs. van der sloot, fighting back tears, looking increasingly upset, then says, and we were sitting on the balcony. she was standing on top of it to start dancing. then i went to her to go and grab her. but she dropped down from the balcony. it's really quite bad, and i'm so sorry i haven't told for so long, but i was just always afraid of the consequences, as also drugs and stuff had been used. van der sloot's voice quivers through the alleged confession.
then suddenly, as van der sloot recounts natalee's fall, he walks away. but are the tears real? >> in his alleged confession airing on network rtl, joran van der sloot says natalee holloway fell from a friend's balcony 2 1/2 stories in the air as he tried to pull her to safety. van der sloot said holloway was definitely dead immediately after the fall and he and his unnamed friend got rid of her body and kept it quiet. is that possible? van der sloot describes what happened next after natalee's fall, claiming they sat next to holloway to make sure she was dead and his alleged accomplice always kept his mouth shut because he's such a good friend. >> how do you know she's dead, joran? >> i just know. >> how did you see it? did you feel her pulse? did it go in one time? >> i just touched her and there wasn't anything anymore. it was over. >> did you try to resuscitate her?
>> i tried everything. i even lifted her up. >> out to the lines. louise, indiana. hi, louise. >> caller: hi, nancy. love you. you are so wonderful. i'm so inspired by you. continue to keep up the great work. i'm not. >> caller: you are a great person. i am truly inspired by you. >> louise, thank you. i don't deserve that, but thank you so much. what is your question, dear? >> caller: yes, you do. i have a question and a comment. my question is, will they, now that the young man does not have, you know, hope in terms of the judicial system helping him with this case, will they have a success and will they -- i mean, will we have a voice for the women and children that are continually hurt day in and day out? who will be this voice for these women? who will be a voice for natalee?
>> you know, i'm going to go to natalee's father, dave holloway. dave, there is a new prosecutor. do you have any faith that there's going to be a prosecution? >> i'm not really sure, nancy. i had an opportunity to speak with him for a long period of time yesterday, and i was inspired from what i heard. he believes that this latest story is false, and he gave me some reasons why. you know, he just felt like the original video with peter devries was the most accurate confession because it was not under any terms of money being paid. it was not under any duress or anything like that. he gave it voluntarily. after he gave that statement, nancy, you know, everyone turned on him and realized that he's the, you know, the wolf in the sheep's clothing. then he had a difficult time of
making friends with anyone and they finally decided that, hey, we've got to get him out of here, get him somewhere where no one knows him. he's had death threats, bodily harm issues and that sort of thing. they tried to send him to australia. australia blocked him from going to that country, and he ended up in thailand where he continued on with his issues. >> right. he started working in prostitution trying to recruit young girls to be prostitutes and strippers. >> that's right. >> and we have that on video. you were saying, dave holloway, everyone with me, natalee's father, you believe the version he gave with the undercover reporter in the suv. >> i believe that's the most accurate confession. you know, he has two themes that goes along with this. if you'll notice, in this third confession, he makes sure that she's dead. he points that out because i think he received a lot of
in an interview just aired on european network rtl, joran van der sloot makes new claims and alleged confessions about the night natalee holloway vanished. why now? van der sloot claims in the interview he's been lying all the time since holloway first went missing. van der sloot now claims he has an accomplice, a friend, van der sloot says was doing drugs, witnessed natalee holloway fall 2 1/2 stories to her death, transported natalee's to her car and helped carry natalee's body into a swamp. what does this new alleged confession mean to the aruban investigation?
will there finally be justice to natalee? >> to pat brown, criminal profiler. pat, what do you make of yet another confession? >> i make that he's making fools of us. he's making money, and he's going to laugh if we all go try to dig up that whole swamp. i agree with dave, the first confession was the closest one. natalee probably did die on the beach. i believe while he was probably raping her and part where he said she started shaking? he probably smothered her. that's where it all happened. everything after that, he's just playing with us. >> many people predicted once his father, judge paulus van der sloot died, that he would become more of a loose cannon. on dutch television rtl he gives another confession. listen.
>> in a new interview shown on european network on rtl, joran van der sloot finally agrees to take a lie detector test, even saying the polygrapher can ask him any question they want. the questioning begins. van der sloot denies he caused the death of natalee holloway and denies knowing who caused the death of natalee holloway. according to the expert who examined the polygraph results, van der slat's answers aren't what they seem. the polygrapher suggesting van der sloot is trying to game the system and control his body to influence the results of the test. expert on the program concluding van der sloot is a liar. and confronting van der sloot with the results of the polygraph. >> in the interview shown on european network rtl, joran van der sloot is confronted with allegation that is he's been trying to game the lie detector test. so-called counter managing or manipulating his body for the
test. after van der sloot is confronted about trying to cheat, he becomes agitated, stands up and throws a glass. van der sloot admitting he lies to people. one minute storming out of the polygraph session and visibly upset. the next minute, chatting with the interview team and smiling. some months later, interviewer a reality tv star and acquaintance of van der sloot's finally gets him to describe what happened the night natalee was last seen alive.
in an interview shown on rtl, with a dutch tv reality star, joran van der sloot is sniffling and holding back tears as he described how he moved natalee's helpless body to the car with the help of an unnamed friend. the two would allegedly drive to a swamp to dispose of natalee's body. joran says, we just picked her up without taking a sheet. under her arms, just behind the passenger seat against the back seat. at that point it was me by the feet and he vice versa.
well, the water immediately starts there so we just ran through the shrubs and look for the deepest possible spot. there we just put her down. as van der sloot sat firmly, he says the back seat was covered with blood and still knows the exact spot where he and this accomplice dumped natalee's body. >> how do you know she's dead, joran? >> i just know. >> how did you see it? did you feel her pulse? did it go in one time? >> i just touched her and there wasn't anything anymore. it was over. >> did you try to resuscitate her? >> i tried everything. i even lifted her up. and in one time, patrick, it was just like in the movie. this is what she did. >> shaking? >> yes. very much. so i said to myself, [ bleep ], what is going on? >> what did you do then? >> so i stayed with her. there was nobody there, patrick. >> of course there was nobody there. it was night, joran. >> so i was talking to her. talking to her.
talking to her. she didn't say nothing. nothing. >> how long was she shaking for? do you know what that is? >> i don't know. >> an epileptic attack or something? >> i don't know. >> she was shaking? was there foam coming out of her mouth? >> no, no foam coming out of her mouth. i didn't see that. >> to natalee's father, dave holloway, that is the confession you believe is closest to the truth? >> it is, nancy, and it still hurts to listen to him say all these crude things about, you know, your daughter, but i believe that's the closest to the truth that we're going to get in this point of time. >> do you have any doubt in your mind he is responsible for her death? >> there's no question in my mind at all. he said this even in his third confession that he was with her when she died and helped dispose
of her body. >> because, dave, if it had been an innocent accident he would have called 911. >> oh, yeah. there's no question about it. you know, even in the third version they make a decision. that that's not the option. that tells you one of two things. there are other crimes that may have occurred in her passing. >> you're right. you're absolutely right, dave holloway. let me ask you. you said you were on the phone for a long time with the new aruban prosecutor and he gave you inspiration. do you think they're ever going to move on the case? >> he had indicated to me that, you know, they're going to look at all these statements and, you know, he believes, as i do, that in these statements you tell a lot of the truth but then again, you lie. so he thinks there's some bits and truth to all of these statements, and it's just a matter of dissecting them and putting it all together and
looking at, you know, is there anything we've missed. and is there anything else that we can do to move this investigation forward? it doesn't look promising but, you know, at least they're trying. >> also with us, out of san francisco, marc klaas, president and founder of klaaskids foundation, who also lost his beautiful daughter. marc, it's so great to see you even though you're so far away. weigh in. what do you think of this latest confession on national tv? >> i believe that this story is one of the sleaziest melodramas to play out on the world stage. i believe three things. number one, joran van der sloot is a horrible, little man without conscience who is willing to do absolutely anything for money, even trafficking young girls. you know, that's called sexual tourism. if he were an american he would be extradited back to this
country and put in prison for the rest of his miserable life. number two, i believe that the authorities in aruba have never demonstrated a will to prosecute this case. they've allowed this guy to slide from day one, and they show absolutely no -- they do not show that they are going to change in any way that i've seen. number three, every time this little creature opens his mouth he re-victimizes natalee holloway's story. it's for nothing more than his own personal gain. i just wish it would stop. i wish people would stop giving him money. i wish they would stop putting him on tv. and i think that all of these people in europe who are part of this should be ashamed of being associated with this creature in any way, shape or form. >> to ellie jostad, what can you tell me about a polygraph? >> right, nancy. well, the reality star who arranged this whole thing with joran van der sloot asked him if he would take a polygraph. he said, i am not worried about
it at all. it would be advantageous of me to take one. once they give him the test and ask him questions like, are you responsible for the death of natalee holloway, are you responsible for her disappearance? he answers no. the expert confronts him with her read of the results. she says, not only do i think you were trying to manipulate the results of the test, i also believe you were lying. he becomes very angry. he tells his friend he can't take this anymore, et cetera, and later he called him, you know, months later and said, i'm really sorry but i thought that this one more time, even with the polygraph, i could beat the system. >> so he confesses he's lying in the polygraph. to mark smith, polygraph expert, vice president of new jersey polygraphists. former detective. what do you make of them saying he tried to control the lie detector test? >> a lot of people do that, nancy. they think they can manipulate the results.
what happens is it's very clear on the charts when someone tries to do that. it's very easy to see. you can distort the charts but you can't beat the polygraph. you can try to distort it but the conclusion is going to be that you can't read the charts. >> to renee rockwell, peter odom. peter, i agree in my heart with marc klaas about people continuing to pay him for interviews. as a former prosecutor i want him to keep talking and keep talking and keep talking. because he is going to trip up again. >> the problem, nancy, is he can talk all he wants but his credibility is so tainted without physical evidence it means nothing. it's just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. he's a liar. >> what about it, renee? >> everybody keeps talking about these being confessions. he has never confessed to anything. all these are is one lie after the other. no kompb confessions. >> what do you have to say to
that, dave holloway, that none of these are confessions? >> oh, i believe the one in the suv where he was not aware that he was being recorded is the closest to the truth that we'll ever see. he was not under any pressure to tell anything. he was not paid. and he was unaware he was being recorded, and he was with one of his, who he thought was his best friend. that's who you generally confide in when the chips get down is your best friends.
van der sloot denies he caused the death of natalee holloway and denies knowing who caused the death of natalee holloway. but according to the expert who examined the polygraph results, van der sloot's answers aren't what they seem. the polygrapher suggests van der sloot is trying to game the system and control his body to influence the results of the test. an expert on the program concluding van der sloot is a liar and confronting van der sloot with the results of the polygraph. >> one time, patrick, it was just like in the movie, this is what she did. >> shaking? >> yes, very much. so i said to myself, [ bleep ], what is going on? >> what did you do then? >> so i stayed with her. there was nobody there, patrick. >> of course there was nobody there. it was night, joran. >> so i was talking to her. talking to her. talking to her. she didn't say nothing. nothing. >> how long was she shaking for? do you know what that is? >> i don't know.
>> an epileptic attack or something? >> i don't know. >> she was shaking? was there foam coming out of her mouth? >> no, no foam coming out of her mouth. i didn't see that. >> to pat brown, profiler. why doesn't he just shut up? >> because he's amusing himself. he enjoys thinking back on what he did and likes to play with people. this is a natural psychopathic behavior, and he's going to keep at it. he's got no reason to stop. >> what about it, bethany? >> i agree. they paid him to give his interview and he delivered on his paycheck. he told a big, old, dramatic story complete with tears and trembling. he's also talking, nancy, because in each of these stories he's revealing his deviant sexual arousal patterns. sex offenders always have a deviant sexual arousal pattern. in each case he paints her in a very degrading way. she's snorting coke, she's drinking whiskey, she's out of control, then she goes unconscious then he has control over her. after she dies he gets rid of
the woman. this is his arousal pattern. however, in the final version, or penultimate version because there will be more, he cleans it up a little bit. i read the transcripts. he said she goes to the house to do coke first but he didn't do any because he's green as grass at this point. she gets on the balcony. he didn't put her there. he reaches out to steady her, she falls over the edge. he goes after her to see if she's okay. he's cleaning up his image. dave holloway's right. this time he says that she's dead because he doesn't want the public to look down on him. >> to dr. marty makary, johns hopkins university. if natalee had fallen off the balcony, how many feet off the ground would result at a mortal fall? >> well, 50% of people who fall at four stories, that's the cutoff rate we consider falls to be brutal. those bruises are permanent.
oftentimes they can be discovered later. >> from two stories? two stories? >> two stories we're looking at a 20% death. three, 35%. four stories, 50% fatality rate. >> to rupa mikkilineni also on the story. rupa, what about triangulation? has that been used? >> in this case it has been. this confession places joran in this balcony apartment which is quite far away from actually where police have him at the beach at these fishermen -- the fishermen huts. this was based on telephone, cell phone triangulation. they have him speaking to deepak kalpoe back at his house when he was on the beach. >> back to natalee's father, dave holloway, joining us from meridian. dave, the triangulation, the pings off his cell phone are consistent with that story he's telling his friend in the suv. >> that's correct.
you know, you're not going to be able to get away from those simple facts. that's some of the reasons the prosecutor decided that this story wouldn't hold water. you know, joran gave the address of the friend's house and he gave a wrong location. and then they also checked out the car and they could not find any evidence of any blood in the vehicle or anything like that. the car that they allegedly used was a family vehicle, and if they would have gone to the swamp area, that's -- in other words, that's called the sewage waste water treatment area and if they would have gotten back into the car, you know, they would have totaled it out just because of the smell. and in the interviews with the family members that was not the case. >> dave, you know he's totally using natalee now. he's completely whoring her
memory out to make money. when you discover he's made another statement, what does that do to you? >> it's -- it brings up a lot of stress and anxiety. you know, i look at it two ways, nancy. it's good that he's talking, but i don't like the way that it's being portrayed or done. so -- >> you're glad he's talking but you don't like what he's saying? >> yeah. i don't like the fact that he's in it making money on a crime that he's, you know, committed, and in profiting from it. so, you know, he -- >> i agree. to jean casarez, you're hearing dave holloway, natalee's father, has this guy, joran van der sloot, ever worked a day in his life? how much do we think he got paid, jean? >> you know, it hasn't come out how much he's been paid and this video is only over in europe right now. i think -- >> well, jean, jean, they tried to charge us $160,000 for the footage. okay?
if that's any hint as to how much he got paid. >> i think one positive that can come out of this, nancy, and mr. holloway also, is last time we covered natalee holloway, prosecutors had said timeline fits, other things don't, that's it. now they have changed and now they say we have a plan of action. we're going to look at everything. so if this, in fact, opened up this investigation again, an investigation many though was closed, that's a positive, nancy. >> well, you're echoing what natalee's father, dave holloway, has said. everyone, very quickly, tonight's cnn heroes. >> when i went to go see dr. moore, this is what he seen. would you like to see it? i developed skin cancer from too much sun exposure. when i see this it just -- i have a hard time looking at this photo right now. >> this cancer was so far advanced eventually it would have killed him. he felt he could not afford to
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>> police say 43-year-old pastor eric spandorve downloaded and tried to distribute porn. >> this guy needs to go to jail for life. let's stop and remember navy hospitalman lucas emch. 21, ohio, killed iraq. left studies at university akron to enlist. a devil doc, awarded the purple heart, navy and marine corps commendation medal, army commendation medal. loved fishing, sports, green bay packers, history, politics. big heart, funny impersonations. leaves behind parents wes and jilly, sister, samantha. lucas emch, american hero. thanks to our guests and especially you for being with us and a special good night from the new york control room. good night, brett, liz, squeaky, and evil. everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp eastern.